User talk:Mattximus
Promotion of Municipalities of Tabasco[edit]
Congratulations, Mattximus! The list you nominated, Municipalities of Tabasco, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best lists on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured list. Keep up the great work! Cheers, PresN (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Lists of municipalities in provinces of Spain[edit]
Hi, Matxximus. I'm a great fan of your work on lists of municipalities of places all over the world. I was wondering if maybe you could help me improve the lists for Spanish provinces. I've seen already that you put some work into the List of municipalities in Albacete, for instance. The population for each municipality is updated every year on the Nomenclátor: Población del Padrón Continuo and is then uploaded to Wikidata. If there were to be a template similar to this here on the English Wikipedia, then we would get rid of a significant amount of work when it comes to keep the list updated. Furthermore, specific links can be created as references for each municipality (this for the first on the list, Abengibre) and then we would only need to update the date on the header. (See this, with the updated population and the specific reference.) Let me know your thoughts, please. Thanks in advance! Alavense (talk) 07:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello User:Alavense! I'm happy to take a look, I am busy for this week but should be free next week. For the main municipality lists I always encourage official censuses results, and the trend between them (I believe Spain does one every 10 years?), estimates could go in individual municipality pages. But this is just my opinion. It would make it easier to pass featured list nomination if that is of interest to you. Official census results are more "encyclopedic" than estimates, which are usually only used if there are no official census data. Would you like to collaborate on Albacete? Mattximus (talk) 23:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd love to collaborate on this, for sure. It would be nice if we could set the standard for these kinds of lists for Spain and then replicate it for other provinces once the province of Albacete is done. I agree with you that it's better to use censuses, given that it would be a bit weird to compare census data to padrón data. From what I gather from this, the census was carried out every ten years, but it has now become an annual thing. Which year should we include in the first column? 2021 or 2023? There are also flags, coats of arms and even maps for each municipality. Should we add columns for that or is it a bit too much? You'll let me know. Thank you very much, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alavense: Yes creating a really good first list makes a nice standard from which to copy quite easily. I like what you have done to the List of municipalities in Albacete, the whole page looks great. In a few days I can make some suggestions to the explanatory paragraph that I know will come up in the featured list nomination. I actually think the table looks great as is (although last three rows are not complete yet), I would save the mini-maps and flags for the actual municipal page. This list is a nice portal to all the individual pages where we can go into more details. I think I need to research the census situation, does Spain actually do a full count every year? That seems hard to believe, but if it's true we should use the most up-to-date census data. If it's just estimates or partial censuses, then sticking with the 2021 would give a nice reliable overview of how the population is changing. I'm looking forward to some collaboration and maybe co-nominating for featured list? Mattximus (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd love to collaborate on this, for sure. It would be nice if we could set the standard for these kinds of lists for Spain and then replicate it for other provinces once the province of Albacete is done. I agree with you that it's better to use censuses, given that it would be a bit weird to compare census data to padrón data. From what I gather from this, the census was carried out every ten years, but it has now become an annual thing. Which year should we include in the first column? 2021 or 2023? There are also flags, coats of arms and even maps for each municipality. Should we add columns for that or is it a bit too much? You'll let me know. Thank you very much, Alavense (talk) 06:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello User:Alavense! Having looked it up, I think we should use the latest annual census data for the first column, and the decennial census for the second column for comparison purposes, with the caveat that they be at least 5 years apart to show a reasonable trend. So 2023 and 2011 seems like a good combination that you have already, but is the 2023 the annual census or is it just an estimate? I think once we get the 2026 data, we can safely remove the 2011 census column and replace with 2021 census. Do you agree? I will start on rewording the lead to make it specific to this province, but the template can be adjusted for other provinces. I've added a few citation needed tags that will be needed, and there are a few sentences that are not clear (what is pooled together mean?). Let me know what you think! Mattximus (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with that. From what I've read, the census is now carried out on an annual basis, so if you give me the go ahead, I'll replace the padrón information (which follows different methods and thus gets slightly different results) with the one provided by the most recent census (2023). Regarding the text, I didn't write any of it, it was already there when I started to work on the table. Maybe we could give it a bath so that it has some meaningful information about how municipalities work in Spain and also some stats about the municipalities in each province (Albacete in this case). We'd also need to find sources to support the info about comarcas, but it can sometimes be a bit shady. Cheers! Alavense (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good Alavense, replacing the estimates with most recent census makes a lot of sense. Doing that, and completing of the last three rows would complete the table, with just the lead to work on. I did a first pass, and there seems to be good info/sources in Municipalities of Spain. I will try to work more on the lead over the next few days. But once we get the table sorted we can work on other tables for the other provinces if you like. We can only nominate one list at a time in the featured list nomination anyway. It would be ideal, but not necessary for that municipalities map to be labelled somehow, but with so many municipalities I don't know how that could be done. Mattximus (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with that. From what I've read, the census is now carried out on an annual basis, so if you give me the go ahead, I'll replace the padrón information (which follows different methods and thus gets slightly different results) with the one provided by the most recent census (2023). Regarding the text, I didn't write any of it, it was already there when I started to work on the table. Maybe we could give it a bath so that it has some meaningful information about how municipalities work in Spain and also some stats about the municipalities in each province (Albacete in this case). We'd also need to find sources to support the info about comarcas, but it can sometimes be a bit shady. Cheers! Alavense (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello User:Alavense! Having looked it up, I think we should use the latest annual census data for the first column, and the decennial census for the second column for comparison purposes, with the caveat that they be at least 5 years apart to show a reasonable trend. So 2023 and 2011 seems like a good combination that you have already, but is the 2023 the annual census or is it just an estimate? I think once we get the 2026 data, we can safely remove the 2011 census column and replace with 2021 census. Do you agree? I will start on rewording the lead to make it specific to this province, but the template can be adjusted for other provinces. I've added a few citation needed tags that will be needed, and there are a few sentences that are not clear (what is pooled together mean?). Let me know what you think! Mattximus (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
I've now updated the population for every municipality. We should decide which sources we are going to use for the land area of both the autonomous community and Spain itself. And I'm still not sure which source would be suitable for the comarcas, but I'll keep searching for one. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)